John Barr has lived in Kingwood for more than thirty years and teaches history at Lone Star College – Kingwood. When he first heard about the potential storm forming in the gulf, he was not worried and continued to prepare for the start of a new school year. When the rain began, he still was not worried because his house had not flooded during the Tax Day flood in 2016.
Two days after the rain began, neighbors offered help with moving Barr’s furniture above any possible flood waters. Barr and his wife left their house early the next morning and stayed with their next-door neighbors. Barr’s house was the last on the street to flood. Barr repeats that for the first few days of rain he was certain that their house, which sits higher than its surroundings, would not flood and that he was not concerned about the storm since there was no wind. He also explains how seven of the nine buildings on the Lone Star College – Kingwood campus flooded, which prevented him from going to his office for months and forced him to teach online. Barr had purchased flood insurance prior to Harvey because it was cheap due to street flooding in his neighborhood. The majority of Kingwood did not have flood insurance. He also received money from FEMA and says that the process was easy and simple. Barr says that if another flood happens, he and his wife know what is important in their house and what they want to save. He talks about who offered help after the storm, and about how some people tried to minimize the trauma of the storm but saying that he was getting a new house because of it. At the end of the conversation, Barr says that if Kingwood ever floods again, he and his wife will walk away from their home.
Interviewee: John Barr
Interview Date: October 27, 2018
Interview Location: Kingwood Community Center
Interviewer: Nella Sakic
INTERVIEWER: Hello, today is October 27, 2018. My name is Nella Sakic, and I’m here today at the Kingwood Community Center with John Barr as part of the University of Houston Center for Public History’s Resilient Houston: Documenting Hurricane Harvey project. Today we’ll be talking about John’s experience as a Hurricane Harvey survivor.
NS: Are you ready?
JB: Yep.
NS: Great, so please state your name and tell me a little bit about yourself.
JB: My name’s John Barr. And I have lived in Kingwood since 1990 and have lived at my current address for about nine years, something like that. And I teach U.S. History and Humanities at Lone Star College – Kingwood.
NS: Where were you born?
JB: Richmond, Kentucky. Well, born in Lexington, Kentucky but grew up in Richmond, Kentucky, which is just outside of Lexington.
NS: So when did you arrive in Houston? How did that happen?
JB: Well, I got a job down here, so I moved down here [0:01:00] in 1984 and started teaching middle school — and then middle school, high school, and now college.
NS: Are you married?
JB: Yes, been married 32 years, uh-huh.
NS: Do you have any children?
JB: No, nuh-uh.
NS: And you still live in the Houston/Kingwood area?
JB: Yep, uh-huh.
NS: What were you doing in the days leading up to Harvey?
JB: Well, just getting — for me, I was just getting ready for the semester to start. And I supposed it was — I think it was a Wednesday that I realized that, you know, there was something out in the Yucatan, but it wasn’t really considered much and that forecasters thought it would be — you know, if it became a hurricane, it’d be like a Category [0:02:00] 1 storm. So it wouldn’t be anything major — so you know, really just kind of dismissed it — so really just living my life doing what I normally do, getting ready for the start of our semester at the college.
NS: How did you feel the first night of the storm? Did you think it would pass quickly?
JB: Well, the — you know, it hit at Rockport. And it was a Category 4, so I think we were — I think we were eating out at Pappasito’s on a Thursday night. And one of the waiters told us they were going to be closed the next couple of days. And we thought that was odd, because, you know, it’s all the way down in Rockport. And I can’t remember when I noticed that there were models that said the hurricane would come inland and then go back out into the ocean. That just seemed really bizarre to me. So when it first hit initially, I thought that, “Well, we’ll — you know, we’ve — we’re probably not going to get the brunt of this thing [0:03:00],” which is — you know, you’re just relieved.
NS: So on the first morning after the storm, what did you see when you looked outside?
JB: Well, you know, it really didn’t — I mean, it depends on what you mean after first morning after the storm.
NS: After the first night, I suppose.
JB: Well, nothing. I mean, everything was — it was just — everything was fine in Kingwood. You know, Friday morning, it was, you know, raining. But — so there was nothing to see. It was just a rainstorm.
NS: Could you describe your experience through the hurricane?
JB: Yeah, I mean, so you know, around — it’s hard to recollect exactly, but on — I guess, it’s on Saturday. That’s when forecasters — it was pretty clear it was going to come back out into the Gulf. And forecasters are talking about 30 inches of rain and that sort of [0:04:00] thing. And you know, we had had the Tax Day floods a couple years ago, and our home didn’t flood, but — not even close. But we do get — we’re not on the lake, but we’re about a quarter mile away from the lake. So when those Tax Day floods came along, we did get some — we did get — there was water in our backyard that was standing water. So when we thought 30 inches of rain, we thought, “Well, okay, we’re probably going to get a lot of water in the backyard.” But we didn’t think — you know, our house kind of sits up. Well, it does sit up. So you know, I don’t know that we were really — you know, you’re worried, but you know, you’re not that — we weren’t that worried I don’t think at least initially. So what was the question again? I’m trying to remember.
NS: Just your Hurricane Harvey experience.
JB: So yeah, so then, you know, it just never — it just never quit raining. And as the [0:05:00] — you know, it hit South Houston first, I think, on Saturday. We weren’t getting a ton. We were getting rain up here, but I don’t think we were getting what they were getting. And you know, it’s moving along the Gulf. And what? It’s moving maybe a mile an hour. And we’re just getting — in Kingwood, you can just see that rotation of the storm. So it was Sunday, and then we’re — you know, it’s just not stopping. And then forecasters are talking about 50 inches of rain, and that’s enormously concerning. And then it was Monday — yeah, Monday afternoon, one of our neighbors came over and said, “You know, hey, should we help you with moving your furniture up?” And even then, we thought, “You know, I mean, the storm — the water would have had to risen [0:06:00] three or four feet to get into our house.” It was kind of hard to conceive. But you know, it did.
And it came in our house. We left our house Tuesday morning around 2:00 A.M. — yeah, around 2:00 A.M. and went next door. Ours was the last house on our street to flood. And our neighbors next door, they didn’t flood. So that’s where we went. And I mean, it’s hard — my Harvey experience is. That’s a pretty broad question. I mean, how much do you want to know?
NS: As much as you’ll tell us.
JB: Yeah, so I mean, you know, it’s — you know, so the experience, there’s a real trauma in terms of just watching this happen — you know, seeing the — seeing the water get — you know, get into your home. And then when [0:07:00] you leave your house realizing, you know, you’re leaving your house. And it’s probably going to get in. You know, I’ve never flooded, so you know, if I’d known what we were going to go through as a result of that, I mean, I think I would have been a lot more depressed even than I really was.
Because it was just — I mean, there’s kind of two different experiences or different — there’s the experience of it happening to your home, which in a way is kind of easy. Because — easier, not easy, but easier in the sense that there’s water in your home. And then it goes out, and you’ve got to fix it. You’ve got to deal with the — you know, you got to demo all the sheetrock and all that. And that’s just — there’s a task there. But then when — and that takes maybe a week or two. And then after that, then you’ve got to live. You know, you got to find a place to live. And you got to — you got to rebuild. Or we decided to rebuild [0:08:00]. Not everybody did, and that’s a completely different experience. That’s 10 — that was 10 months before we really had the home back to the way we wanted it.
NS: During the hurricane, did you communicate with friends and relatives? How so?
JB: Well, obviously, friends, yeah. I mean, you know, it just — it’s hard to describe. We just really didn’t think — you know, Friday, Saturday, even Sunday, we really didn’t think it was going to be any — it’s just a rain storm. There’s not wind, right? So it’s just a lot of rain. And our house sits pretty high up. We didn’t — I didn’t think we really thought that — even on Sunday, we’re worried, but it’s like, you know, it’s not going to get into the home. So we were just going about our normal business for the most part. But yeah, I mean — and I think that [0:09:00] — so yeah, we did talk with friends. I mean, I’m trying to remember if I talked with my sister or not back in Lexington. She lives in Lexington, Kentucky. I may have. We talked right before or right after.
But part of what you’re doing, too, is like — on Monday, I was just trying — the Monday when I really did start getting concerned is to talk to my neighbor. “If we need to, can we come over tonight?” You know, because then you’re starting to get worried just about your safety, you know, and that sort of thing. And so just getting — and then on Monday afternoon and evening, just trying to get what you can up on counters and things like that to save what little you can save, you know. So you really — in a way, you really don’t have a lot of time to communicate. You know, you just got to take care of — when you really start getting worried — at least for us, I can’t speak for anybody else. But you’re just trying to take care of [0:10:00] taking care of yourself and saving what you can of your — of your home, so yeah.
NS: How was your place of work impacted by the storm?
JB: Well, we flooded. So I mean, I work at Lone Star College – Kingwood. And the river — we had nine buildings on the campus. And the river — I think two of them were unaffected. No, no, two — yeah, two buildings were — two out of nine were entire unaffected, but seven of the nine buildings were flooded in one way or another. And so I haven’t been in my office but maybe 25, 35 minutes in the last year and a half. And so my work was — you know, we’re still not completely back open. I mean, we are [0:11:00] open. But the campus is not completely operational. We have four buildings now that are. So I had to do all online classes. And then in the second semester, I had to travel out to the Atascocita center for classes, which I’m still doing. I still have some classes out at the Atascocita center, so work was — I mean, it’s been really hard.
I don’t know — you know, because you’re trying to — I mean, I don’t have access to my files. I don’t have access to my books. I don’t have access to really anything. I mean, I got into my office and picked up a few jump drives and a few books that are completely necessary. But you know, beyond that, you know — so I will get back in my office again next week, believe it or not. But that’s only to get stuff off the floors, so they can clean. And my office wasn’t even [0:12:00] flooded, you know. So the — I had colleagues that — I had colleagues that lost everything. My office was on the second floor of a building that was flooded. And so — but I had colleagues that lost everything they — you know, everything they owned. I had — in terms of like their files, you know, mementos, valuable equipment, you know. You name it. They lost it, so in that sense, it was — it’s really tough to see people that, you know, you care about — that that happened to them.
And then I used to work at Kingwood High School. And you know, Kingwood High School flooded. And you know, in addition to teaching history up there, I also coached cross country and track and field up there. And I had — I mean, my old track office where I had thousands and thousands of [0:13:00] newsletters that I’d — of words — newsletters I’d written to parents and things like that flooded. Pictures I created, a new locker room, gone. Yeah, it’s been — it’s been bad.
You know, that — and you really don’t have — you really don’t have time to think about that, because you’re just so busy with — because you have a job. And then you lose your home, and then you have another job. And the job is to get your home back. But then you have that job, your original job. And you don’t — neither one cares about the other. You know what I’m saying? So you have to still do your work. You have to still live, but then if you don’t work at this other job, then you’re just — you’re not going to get your life back any time soon. And as it was, as hard as I worked and as hard as my wife worked, it was 10 and a half months to get the home, you know, fixed. And we were probably — my guess would be we were probably luckier than most form what I’ve — from what I’ve [0:14:00] heard. I certainly feel that way in many ways.
NS: Did you receive any assistance from FEMA or the government?
JB: Oh, yeah, we had insurance. And that made it — you know, I don’t know what percentage of Kingwood didn’t, but I think it was — I heard — of course, you hear a lot of things. But I heard it was 70, 80 percent of the people in the area did not have insurance. But we did. And the only reason we did was we had had a — in the old home, we have lived in Kingwood over near Woodland Hills Elementary — that we had had some street flooding. And it was so cheap to get insurance. We thought, “Well, we should just do that anyway, you know.” And that’s the only reason we really had it. And so we did get a lot of — we did get assistance from FEMA. We had to have lived in The Woodlands for several months, you know, while this went on — while our home was being worked on. And you know, I hear a lot of people complain about FEMA [0:15:00], but you know, our experience with FEMA was really, really good. Very professional, they were very helpful — got us funds quickly. I mean, I have zero complaints about what they did for us, so you know.
NS: Do you have any more short- or long-term plans for rebuilding after Harvey?
JB: Well, I mean, short-term, I mean, we just get back in the home. And we’re trying to just — we’re trying just to get back to normal, right? So that’s — I mean, what can you do, you know? But long-term, I mean, yeah, we think about — you know, we think about, “Do we want to stay in the home?” And we can’t give up the home right now just because the property values of the home went down pretty significantly. Now, if we stay in three or four years, it might come back, you know [0:16:00].
And then it seems — I hope this is true. But it seems there is some movement afoot politically to have the U.S. Engineers study the San Jac River and the Lake Conroe Dam and the Lake Houston Dam and see if they can, you know, do some work to prevent this sort of thing from ever happening again. So you know, so long-term, we just have to think about — you know, if we see that that’s going to happen — you know, because I mean, our home — if we see that that’s going to happen, we’d be less likely to leave our home. But you know, I don’t know.
I mean, my wife and I frequently say, “You know, I want to move somewhere where there’s no weather.” You know, I mean, it’s just that — that is partly how you feel. And it’s not like — I mean, if — I mean, realistically looking at it, okay, in ’94, you know, Kingwood flooded from the Lake Conroe Dam. In 2005, we had [0:17:00] Tropical Storm Allison. In 2008, Hurricane Ike. 2011, we had a really weird drought. I mean, you cannot imagine how many trees were cut down here because of the drought — thousands and thousands and thousands of trees. In 2015 and 2016, we had 15-, 20-inch storms. 2017, Harvey. I mean, I just don’t see how it won’t happen again. And if you — I mean, I read — I’m not — I’m not a climate scientist. But I am a Ph.D. And I know how to read. And I think there’s pretty good evidence that we’re going to have some problems with this going forward. And you know, so I don’t know. I mean, long-term, I just don’t know what we’re going to do, you know. I mean, this is where our jobs are. This is where our lives are. But I’m 56, and you know, I mean, maybe — I mean, I don’t know. We’ll just have to see. But for now, we’re here [0:18:00], you know, so.
NS: Do you think you’ll be prepared for future storms?
JB: Well, better, you know. I mean, you know, like — well, it depends on the storm, right? I mean, what hurricane goes — well, of course, you saw Florence in — was it Florence in South Carolina, right?
NS: Yes.
JB: And that was kind of like Harvey, you know, slow-moving. And whereas, a storm like Michael, which was a nothing storm, and then all of the sudden, it’s the worst storm in American — or you know, at least, in terms of severity of wind, one of the worst storms in American history. It just depends on the storm. I mean, if it’s a — if it’s a Category 4 hurricane, I mean, you can’t prepare. Because up in Kingwood, that’s just going to be a — it’s going to be a wind event. And that’s trees. And I can’t do anything about trees, right? So you know, you just kind of have to hope for the best. But if it’s a Hurricane Harvey-type storm, you know, where it’s a tropical storm and a lot of rain, then yeah, I know exactly what to do [0:19:00]. And I would be better prepared. I would — I would — like I mean, we just — we just — you know, we didn’t — we just — there’s things we didn’t even save, because we just didn’t think. Like our wedding video, you know, was in our TV room, and we just — we left the house. And it wasn’t until we were cleaning up afterwards, like, “Oh, yeah, there that is.” We — you know, you just don’t think that water is going to get that high in a particular area of the home. So now that it’s happened, if we face something like that again, we would know what to do and save more. Does that make sense? You know?
NS: Yeah.
JB: But it just kind of depends on the storm. Because you know, Ike was — I mean, Ike was largely a wind event up here. It really wasn’t a rain event. And Harvey wasn’t a wind event. Harvey was a rain event. So the answer to your question is it kind of depends on the storm. But I’ve been through both of them now. So yeah, I guess I do know what I would do, yeah.
NS: [0:20:00] Do you have anything you’d like to mention about your Hurricane Harvey experience that I haven’t asked about?
JB: Well, I think — you know, it’s interesting. People were interesting. And I’m very grateful to the people that helped us. And my next-door neighbors, you know, a couple of colleagues, that — it’s interesting who comes through for you — people that you don’t really think will were — well, my neighbors I knew would. But — and I remember. I mean, my mom died of breast cancer when I was in my early — she was 55, I think — about my age. And I remember my sister telling me — I was down here in Houston. This was the late 80s or mid to late 80s. My sister [0:21:00] — the last month of my mom’s life, she was at home. And my sister was helping take care of her. And she told me — she said, “You know, it’s surprising who doesn’t come through for you.” You know, people you think that really care about you don’t.
And so one of the good things about this has been that I have some — you know, I have a greater affection for some people that, you know, I didn’t beforehand. But one of the lousy things is you find out that there’s some people that really just don’t care about you very much that you thought did. And that’s a really terrible feeling. Or you know — and maybe, to be fair, you know, it’s just that you — maybe they’re too busy with other things that are going on with their own fringe from the storm. And you know, it’s a terrible — I just don’t — it’s not right to feel this way [0:22:00], but I mean, you feel how you feel. You kind of tend to divide people into sheep and goats. You know, the sheep help me and the goats, you know, didn’t. You know what I’m saying? And that’s not a good way — that’s not good.
And you realize that, so there’s still a lot — I mean, I realize that. So there’s still a lot of things that my — that we’re trying to work through, you know, that I think are — it’s just going to take time. There’s no such thing as it’s over, and then you — because a lot of people will ask you, “Are you back in your home?” Right? And then you say, “Yes,” and for them, oh, well, the storm’s over. But you know, it’s — that’s just not even — that’s just the beginning of dealing with it — you know the trauma of it and things of that nature, you know. So that’s been interesting.
And I mean, another thing, too — I mean the people. And does that sound [0:23:00] — I don’t — I’m not trying to sound negative towards people. Because some people really came through for us, and I don’t know what we would have done without them. And I should also say that my wife’s workplace, Insperity, which is up on 494 where she works, they were — they were fantastic. I mean, they just were really, really helpful for us — providing food and dinners and helped with moving. It’s just remarkable. But it’s also interesting people — I think another thing that I’ve — it just fascinates me in a way — is that — how people can’t just accept that you had this lousy experience. And they have to make it mean something or they have to — or they have to teach you something about it, you know.
Like they’re — there was an author — y’all being history [0:24:00] — interested in history — might be interested in this. But an author named Kate Bowler, who has written on the Prosperity Gospel, and people like Joel Osteen and others — you know, and not just him — and I don’t mean this as a criticism towards him at all. But anyway, Kate Bowler’s in her 30s, and she’s a history professor, I think, at Duke. And she found out she had Stage-4 cancer and at a very young age obviously. And she wrote this piece.
She wrote a book about this experience, but she said that she finds people are minimizers and philosophers. I can’t remember the third category, but you know — but it’s like they want — they want to minimize your suffering. You know what I’m saying? “Oh, you’re back in your house.” It’s like, “Yeah, I am, but that’s not the point. You know, it’s much deeper than that.” Or “Well, at least you’re going to get a new home,” or “At least you’ll get an upgrade, you know. Your kitchen will be new.” And it’s like, “Really? We wanted to go through this [0:25:00], so we can have a new kitchen?” You know, I mean, it’s like it’s very difficult for people to just say, “I’m sorry.” You know, and I — so it seems to me that that’s the way it is.
And I don’t mean that as a criticism at all, you know, because it’s such — it was such a vast — do y’all live in this area? Okay, so I mean, because it was just — I mean, it was just horrible — just a vast problem. So one of the things I’m going to try to remember is to just not try to look for a silver lining for people if they’re suffering — just to maybe say, “I’m sorry,” or take them some food. And that’s enough sometimes, you know? I think that that’s a — you know, a hug, and “I’m sorry,” a letter, some food, just genuine concern without really trying to minimize what someone’s going through, or that somehow [0:26:00] there’s some great meaningful lesson that’s there. I find that very — it almost makes me angry to hear it. Even though I just keep my — you know, my face as neutral as I can, if that makes any sense. So you know, anyway, it’s just — it’s a — it’s a complex, multi-faceted experience. You know, there’s not — there’s no one Harvey experience really. It’s just — and there’s no one day that was like any other day really. It’s just very difficult. I never want to go through it again.
And I — I mean, I think — you asked about long-term plans. We’ll walk away from our home if it ever happens again. We won’t — we’ll just leave, which is — I think a lot of people that I’ve talked to would do the same. So you know, it’s kind of — I mean, what — you know, you think about a community [0:27:00] — I think about a community I’ve lived in for 30 years now almost, Kingwood. And if this happens again, I mean, what’s going to happen to Kingwood. It’s going to — I don’t think it will be nice. So that — you know, of course, you can’t worry about might happen, right? You can’t live your life that way, so — anyway, probably more than you wanted for that answer.
NS: Thank you for sharing your story today. In the future, researchers may look back on this recording to get a sense of what happened during Hurricane Harvey. We appreciate your participation in this project. Have a great day.
JB: Okay, thank you.
NS: Thank you so much.
JB: Yep. You’re welcome. [0:27:41]